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Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby nkstan » January 22, 2010, 6:41 am

I liked this editorial from this mornings Nation!e > Opinion > Issues of identity that governments can't understand

Issues of identity that governments can't understand
By The Nation
Published on January 22, 2010

The problems of ethnic minorities in Thailand and Malaysia are a result of bureaucratic ignorance


They might not realise it, but Thailand and Malaysia have a lot in common when it comes to nation-state building. Both have adopted a deeply ethnocentric attitude and don't seem to realise how this has become problematic.

[b]And at this juncture in their development, both countries are choking on it. Neither has shown a willingness to address the root of the issue and instead continue to dish out the usual wishful-thinking rhetoric about how all of us should co-exist peacefully and that the state is not going to tolerate any sort of violence.

But if the Thai and Malaysian governments and bureaucracies take a good look at themselves, perhaps they will come to the realisation that they are the problem, and the problem stems from the requirements they place on citizens in their attempt to construct a nation.

For Malaysia, closely associating the Malay identity with Islam has helped certain stakeholders, such as the ruling Umno Party, which bills itself as the party of the Malays. But as the recent spate of religious violence has shown, this foundation rests on shaky ground.

While the Malaysian government has institutionalised the link between Malay nationality and Islam, Thailand makes it harder for non-Buddhists to identify themselves as being "fully Thai". State ceremonies and functions here are always associated with Buddhism or Brahminism, but never other religions.

Since January 8, Malaysia has been rocked by a series of firebomb attacks against nearly a dozen churches and one Sikh temple. The attacks come amid a dispute over the use of the word "Allah" by Christians. Yesterday, vandals tried to torch a Muslim prayer room, perhaps in response to the earlier attacks. The tension began after a court ruled on December 31 that non-Muslims were entitled to use the word "Allah" as a translation for "God" in the Malay language.

The dispute centres on a court ruling that favoured the Herald, the newspaper of the Catholic Church in Malaysia, which argued that it had the right to use the word "Allah" in its Malay-language edition because the word predates Islam and is commonly used by Christians in other predominantly Muslim countries such as Egypt, Indonesia and Syria.

Many ethnic Malay Muslims in Malaysia believe the word should be exclusive to them because, in their country's context, Islam is inseparable from Malay ethnicity. If you are Malay, you are a Muslim.

Likewise, Thailand's state apparatus permits little room for the Patani Malays in the deep South to feel part of the Thai nation. The only common ground is citizenship, which is not enough because the state has made "Thai" such a loaded word. Besides dressing a certain way or embracing certain ideas and values, such as kwam pen Thai, or "Thainess", the Thai identity comes with a historical narrative in which the heroes and heroines are spelled out to them.

And in a region such as Patani - the Malay historical homeland that once was an important commercial, cultural and religious centre until annexation reduced it to a mere province of Thailand - kwam pen Thai has a tendency to rub locals up the wrong way. And the armed insurgency has its roots in this discontent.

But this is not rocket science. Surely Thailand and Malaysia know that their "racist" policies have to give way to something that allows "others" to be part of the nation.

In spite of the insurgency - which seems to have no end in sight - there is nothing to suggest that the Malays of Patani want to separate from the Thai state.

General election turnout in the deep South remains the highest in the country compared to other regions. Even in football matches, Malay Muslims cheer on the Thai national team with the same enthusiasm as the rest of the country's people, who may call themselves Thai but in actuality may be descendants of Chinese, Lao, Mon, Khmer, Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants. And let's not forget the stateless hilltribes who become Thai only on the postcards we sell to foreign visitors.

Confine them to the hills so we have something to show the tourists, seems to be the bureaucracy's stance. Unfortunately, the state doesn't understand that zoos are for animals, not humans. [/b]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/01 ... 120843.php
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby jackspratt » January 22, 2010, 8:05 am

Agree Stan - a good editorial.

And of course in Thailand, the position of Thainess is complicated even further by the part played by the Royal Family in the structure of the Buddhist religion.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby UdonExpat » January 22, 2010, 8:35 am

Yes, the Thai people are prejudiced, both racially and ethnically. People from Isaan are not as good as real Thai because they are Lao or Khmer. The hilltribes are not really Thai because they came from somewhere else. The Chinese are OK because they have all the money, but are still not really Thai. The Vietnamese finally gained enough financial clout to start being accepted for citizenship around 1990. Oh, and those poor Muslims in the south. Thailand annexed them, taxed them, and provided as little support and infrastructure as possible.

I visited the south 8 years ago and it reminded me of Cambodia and Laos in terms of the poverty and infrastructure. It was obvious this part of the country was receiving even less of the government resources than Isaan, which was doing much better in comparison, but still far behind the north and central areas.

Political naivete has kept Isaan out of the picture until recently, and the Muslim south has chosen violence as a form of protest, as well as, political action. I think the Buddhist tenets have helped subdue violence in Isaan, although the anger is here.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby Texpat » January 22, 2010, 1:23 pm

Buddhism is NOT the official religion of Thailand -- or so a constitutional court decreed three years ago. :D Drafters of the "new" B.E. 2550 constitution chose not to include an article specifying Buddhism as the official religion of the country.

In other news, the the moon is made of cheese and if you receive a phone call from a number ending in 82, don't answer it -- you'll die immediately.

Actions speak louder than words.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby rjj04 » January 22, 2010, 11:00 pm

Thanks for that piece nkstan, very informative to me. I recently went to one of the hill tribe "villages", and... "Unfortunately, the state doesn't understand that zoos are for animals, not humans" thought came to my mind as I was walking about.

I also have noticed Muslims in cities in Thailand that I would have thought they might not have migrated to. So, at the airport recently and sitting at the gate looking at the four nice leather chairs, on a pedestal above the rest of the floor, and the sign nearby that said something like "reserved for monks and novices"... just wondered how those travelling Mullahs felt. :-k
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby Texpat » January 22, 2010, 11:19 pm

I've read Thailand is the only country in the world where the king was constitutionally required to be a Buddhist.

http://countrystudies.us/thailand/53.htm
I realize they've had several constitutions recently, this info might be dated.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby BobHelm » January 22, 2010, 11:31 pm

Not sure Texpat, but, unless the law has been changed VERY recently the King/Queen of England must be Church of England (as they are head of such). Roman Catholics need not apply.... :D :D
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby Texpat » January 22, 2010, 11:47 pm

But England doesn't have a constitution ...

(neither does Thailand, effectively)

I thought the secular UK prided itself on religious freedoms and inclusive policies. Odd that the head cheese must be of a certain flavor.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby rjj04 » January 23, 2010, 12:37 am

Let's not forget how England treated a great man, Alan Turing, who was so key to defeating the Nazis during WWII.

1939-40: The Bombe, machine for Enigma decryption
1939-42: Breaking of U-boat Enigma, saving battle of the Atlantic

He might have done even greater things, if intolerance hadn't killed him first. IMHO, due in large part to the lethal tentacles of religion.

"Turing's homosexuality resulted in a criminal prosecution in 1952—homosexual acts were illegal in the United Kingdom at that time—and he accepted treatment with female hormones, chemical castration, as an alternative to prison. He died in 1954, several weeks before his 42nd birthday, from an apparently self-administered cyanide poisoning" excerpt from Wiki

To wonder what Turing might have accomplished.

The shame!
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby BobHelm » January 23, 2010, 11:23 am

Odd that the head cheese must be of a certain flavor.


Not odd at all Texpat if you understand the 500 year old battle between Roman Catholics & the Church of England in the UK.
Yes, many persecuted for religious preferences have entered England over history as a safe haven. Equally, many have left because they felt that they were not given enough freedom there to pursue the way they worshiped - Pilgrim Fathers is just one example.
Does England have a constitution?? Not in a single document in the way USA has & clings to; no. It does have a ream of legal documentation - going back some 1,000 years - shaping what is now the constitution though.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby Texpat » January 23, 2010, 4:41 pm

It's 2010. Get with the times. Can't preach one thing and practice another. :D
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby maaka » January 25, 2010, 1:11 am

I think to title to this thread should have said Govt, MILITARY, and Religous identity to emeshed together. It is the military that has held the sway of power in 'thailand 's politics since 1932 when the first parliament was formed, and those guys are Thai to the core, and they have no interest in other ethnic or religous groups. It wasnt until the 1997 constitution that human rights were included, but that has since been repelled by the 2007 constitution.
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Re: Gov't and religious identity,to emeshed together

Postby BobHelm » January 25, 2010, 2:43 pm

Texpat wrote:It's 2010. Get with the times. Can't preach one thing and practice another. :D

That is a bit rich, coming as it does from a citizen of a country where the majority believe that something written by lawyers & landowners 220 years ago should be treated with the same blind obedience as the tablets of stone Moses brought down from the Mount... :D :D
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